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Nike Insults The Irish: Mom Talk

Is a company's oversight indicative of a larger ignorance?

 

Stupid is as stupid does. And this was definitely stupid.

It doesn't surprise me that people, including people who work for Nike, don't know about Ireland's history. However, it does surprise me that people, especially those who work for Nike, don't know how to use a search engine.

The international shoe giant eventually apologized for naming, albeit unofficially, a shoe after a ruthless bunch of thugs who brutally slaughtered the Irish civilians in the name of the Crown — the Black and Tans. The group was a paramilitary force sent by England in 1919 to squash any uprising of the Irish Republican Army.

Instead, the Black and Tans widely raped and pillaged any and all Irish men, women and children who crossed their paths.

The name came from their black tunics and tan army pants.

Since then, the Irish memorialized the Black and Tans with a drink. It is half British ale (usually Bass) and half Guinness. (For the record, if it's made with Guinness and Harp, it's called a half and half.)

Nike thought they were naming the shoes after a beverage. Nobody thought to ask where the name of the drink came from. That is just plain stupid. We're not talking about a small town church festival that made an error. Nike is big time. They should have caught it.

Some reports quote Ciaran Staunton, the president of the Irish Lobby for Immigration Reform, as saying that naming the shoe the Black and Tan is the Irish equivelent of calling it the al-Qaida. That's about right. I'll add, it's like naming it the Pearl Harbor Bomber.

I can certainly understand an honest mistake. However, Nike is an international company. Learning sensitivities about other countries and other cultures is part of their daily ops. To me, this is like a NASA spacecraft that couldn't land because it did not convert metric to English. This is not rocket science. Well, in that case, apparently it would be.

Still, our society is getting stupider and stupider. This is another example. We cannot possibly memorize everything. We cannot truly learn by rote. We need to teach our children to go a layer deeper, to ask another question, to find out more.

No, no, Nike. You flunked the history test. Perhaps you'll do better in spelling. Perhaps, instead, you should teach your employees to memorize the word "Google."

Related Topics: Bass Ale, Black and Tans, Britian, Guinness, Harp, Harp Lager, IRA, Ireland, Irish Republican Army, and black and tan

Tommy O

9:54 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012

Erin, maybe you need to take your own advice. “..Learn (sic) sensitivities about other countries and other cultures…”? The Irish named a drink after this group and you feign outrage toward Nike for using the same name? The descendants of Ireland here embrace “The Fighting Irish” mascot and use the derogatory phrase “getting their Irish up” referring to themselves. Do you really think they are going to get worked up over the name of a shoe? An Irishman would be angrier he did not copyright the name “Black and Tans” ….

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Erin Gallagher

7:37 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012

Yeh, I never got the Fighting Irish thing either. I went to Marquette instead.

Rich B

12:26 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012

Speaking as an Englishman moved to the US, I'd like to point out your blatant hypocrisy in not addressing the equally offensive "Irish Car Bomb" drink.

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Joseph Hosey

12:41 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012

I don't think that's hypocrisy at all. If anything, it's an omission. But then an awful lot of offensive things weren't mentioned in this particular column. It would be hypocritical if Nike made a shoe called the "Irish Car Bomb" and Erin neglected to include it in her column.

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Roger Knut

10:01 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012

I would rather be called a hypocrite than a Brit.

Roy Rumaner

3:06 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012

On this one, I have to say to Erin, get a life. You don't anything better to do these days except to complain about the name of a shoe? Why don't you get worked up over things that actually matter to people in the area, like taxes, unemployment, potholes or even gas prices. You re upset over the name of a pair of shoes? You need to get your priorities in order.

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Flora Dora

3:40 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012

So, Roy, you have nothing better to do than complain about Erin's priorities? Pointing out disrespect seems to me to be important. The world would be a better place if there were more sensitivity and respect. And as for the Irish using "insulting terms" among themselves is ok but outsiders better not! That's how it works in my family.

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Roy Rumaner

7:27 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012

Wow, I didn't know you were trying to make the world a better place! If you really want to put your actions where your mouth is, how about you start by cleaning your own house. My comments were not directed at you or about you, yet you decided to disrespect me. You preach sensitivity and respect yet, it seems, you do not show it to others unless they agree with your personal views.

How about this: When someone orders a Black & Tan in a bar, do you go into a frenzy and tell them off too? After all, if they are not Irish, they must be using an "insulting term" to order a drink that in your own words, they better not order.

Run back to your cave now, where everyone follows your rules. When you venture outside, you will find it is a scary place filled with people who do not agree with you or your value structure.

smiles

3:41 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012

Erin you need to get your facts straight. The shoe which you are referring too is the called Nike SB Dunk Low. Your ENTIRE ARGUMENT IS VOID. Black and Tan is just a nickname fans of the shoe called it. Maybe YOU SHOULD LEARN TO USE GOOGLE. #sneakerholics

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Julie J

4:07 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012

What's next? Reebok calling it's "cool" new shoe the "KKK"? More people might get it.

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smiles

4:10 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012

You know thats not even the name of the shoe. Its a fan given nickname. This whole article is pointless.

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Joseph Hosey

5:38 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012

Actually, Smiles, Gawker reported that Nike used the name Black and Tan in its own ad copy: "'Tis the season for Irish beer and why not celebrate with Nike? The Black and Tan sneaker takes inspiration for the fine balancing act of a Stout (Guinness) on top a Pale Ale (Harp) in a pint glass." So it looks like you're wrong.

Otto Matich

6:14 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012

Actually, Joseph, it looks like you're wrong, in describing the source of the ad copy. A perfect example of the blogosphere simply regurgitating incorrect information, and readers assuming it's true. Did you notice that the Gawker article failed to provide a link to the ad copy it quoted? Can you find a Nike-owned website that used that language? Exactly. It was not Nike ad copy - it was copy created by others. Take your own advice and do a little independent research next time.

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Joseph Hosey

6:35 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012

RIght, Otto, Nike retained an agency to create the ad copy (two ads actually), but Nike had nothing to do with calling the shoes Black and Tans. Which is why they issued an apology. A smarmy apology in which they try to deny responsibility, but an apology all the same.

Bob Jonas

7:44 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012

Erin, you yourself said "Still, our society is getting stupider and stupider. This is another example. We cannot possibly memorize everything. We cannot truly learn by rote. We need to teach our children to go a layer deeper, to ask another question, to find out more." So how far back to we go to find out if phrases or words that we use now or wish to use now are or were offensive. You article sites things that happen in 1919. When does it stop. Do we search back into the 1800's, 1700's, biblical times. It is getting where eventually you might not be able to say Good Morning to anyone lest the find those words offensive in 2000 BC.

Nora also mentions another "fact" that I don't agree with. Never could figure out why a nationality or a race could use offensive language that pertains to them but don't let anyone outside of that specific group will be damned for life for saying those words. I can't say the N...word but someone who is black can...WHY? If it is derogatory, it is derogatory. Plain and simple. Let's get a life.

If I"m Black and Tan, I"m looking good, even though I may end up with skin cancer from the sun.

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Otto Matich

7:55 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012

Joseph - please post the link to the Nike ads you are referring to. You can't. I wasn't being coy and referring to ad agencies. There may be ads that were created by others (e.g., retailers, not Nike's ad agencies) or posted by sneakerheads on their blogs. But nowhere on any Nike site will you find that language. Nike did apologize ("smarmy" - nice one, Joe!), but specifically indicated that the shoes had been unofficially named the Black and Tans by others. If you know anything about the sneaker culture, this is a common occurrence.

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Joseph Hosey

9:20 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012

The "sneaker culture," Otto? Here's what I know about it: It's disgusting and obscene. Nike's charging $90 for an ugly pair of brown and black sneakers that cost how much to be made? And who's making them? And what are they being paid? It's too bad Steve & Barry's went out of business. Starburys were the only sneakers worth the money. By the way, do you work for Nike?

Otto Matich

8:13 pm on Wednesday, March 21, 2012

Joseph - quoting from your profile: "At Patch, we promise always to report the facts as objectively as possible and otherwise adhere to the principles of good journalism." I assume those principles would include quoting primary sources using confirmed links, and not self-described "gossip" sites with no attribution. Just sayin'.

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Otto Matich

10:44 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012

Joseph: Obfuscation. Stop avoiding the question. Either post a link to ad copy proving that it was created by Nike, or admit that you made a mistake with your original post.

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Joseph Hosey

3:36 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012

So does that mean you work for Nike?

smiles

6:05 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012

Joseph you are plain wrong and losing just stop. Nike has no tie with the name black and tan at all. They issued a apology because what else could they do. Nike did not create that ad. That was from a blog.

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Joseph Hosey

6:17 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012

Actually, no. You're wrong. It wasn't from a blog. It was a retail ad. And if Nike had nothing to do with it, why did they apologize? "What else could they do?" Really? How about say: "This has nothing to do with our company." Or maybe: "This wasn't even an ad. It was from a blog (whatever that's supposed to mean)." You know why they didn't say those things? Because they're not true.

Amber

6:40 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012

Nike officially named the shoes Nike SB Dunk Low and the name Black & Tan was given to the shoes unofficially by some. They said the shoes design IS suppose to resemble the way a Black & Tan beverage but they meant no disrespect. So Nike apologized not for the name, because they did not name them Black & Tan, but for the design inspiration that lead to the unofficial name (nickname) that they ended up receiving.

I am Irish and I am not the least bit offended by the nickname. People are too damn sensitive and everyone is offended by every little thing lately! Why is it that they were offended by the nickname of the shoe but not the beverage being named that? Why are they not offended by an Irish Car Bomb or a Belfast Bomb?

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Otto Matich

11:51 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012

Joseph: Now you're just embarrassing yourself. You and your fellow PC clones are on the wrong side of this argument. As Amber states above, no offense was intended - get over it.

With respect to your question as to why Nike would apologize, why wouldn't they? As Amber correctly points out, they simply acknowledged that others had created a nickname that might be offensive to some, and they apologized for any harm that was created. Their apology was not an admission that they had done something wrong. Is the difference really that difficult for you to understand?

You obviously have an axe to grind with Nike, and it's getting in the way of your ability to evaluate this issue objectively.

Moving on now. Nothing more to see here.

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Joseph Hosey

9:47 am on Friday, March 23, 2012

Have you told us yet if you work for Nike, Otto? I must have missed it. Let us know. In the meantime I have to get together with the other PC clones and grind an ax. When we get back maybe you can regale us with stories about the mysteries of "sneaker culture."

Brad Drake

7:01 am on Friday, March 23, 2012

This article has created quite the storm! To be properly PC, I am offended that an Irish Car Bomb is being called an Irish Car Bomb. Use political correctness people, I learned in Shannon, Ireland it is properly referred to as an Ulster Catholic Freedom Maker.

I am of Irish descent and you know the best part of it - my family left that island generations upon generations ago! The RUC, the IRA, the Crown, the UDF, the R-IRA, and all those other groups operate just like street gangs on the streets of Chicago. Butcher each other to gain power until being butchered themselves. The funniest part is that they all secretly work with each other and do deals with one another to get money and power. Almost 40 years of bloodshed was for nothing, the rule of N. Ireland has stayed the same. The IRA finally realized it and decided the ballot was better than the bomb.

So as a Euro-mix-Irish-American I can tell you...I don't care if the name of a shoe offends the Irish people. They've done a damn good enough job offending themselves.

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jaskie1505

11:54 am on Friday, March 23, 2012

I'm with Bob Jonas and his comments earlier in this blog. This is a waste of time. How far back do you search and have to watch what you say just not to offend anyone. Let's get over the PC stuff.

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Tim

7:10 pm on Friday, March 23, 2012

'Patch' from Italian means: 'clown, fool, or dolt'

Fitting

jaskie1505

7:20 pm on Friday, March 23, 2012

Nice catch Tim. So Erin, are you going to change the name of this media vehicle since it insults slow witted people. See Tim's post. You and your fellow editors will need to apologize like Nike did.

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Erin Gallagher

8:24 pm on Friday, March 23, 2012

Having lived in Italy for several years, I've never come across any such translation.

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Tim

11:11 pm on Friday, March 23, 2012

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/patch
patch 2 (pch)
n.
A fool or clown; a dolt.

Nike 'should have used google', but you can't?

"We need to teach our children to go a layer deeper, to ask another question, to find out more."

You said it.

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Joseph Hosey

11:30 pm on Friday, March 23, 2012

@Tim: So an obscure definition of the word "patch" means "clown," and that is exactly like the column Erin wrote! Yes, that's it. Or maybe not. Wait .. what was it you were trying to say?

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Tim

1:53 am on Saturday, March 24, 2012

Yes Joe, it is.

The popular usage of 'black and tan' is a reference to a mixed drink. The obscure term, from a hundred years ago, is a nickname for a paramilitary unit. Completely different definitions, for completely different times.

The popular usage of 'patch' is of a piece of a larger whole. The obscure definition is of a dolt or idiot.

Why is the obscure term more important in one case, and not the other? If taking someone to task for not googling every obscure definition of a word is a problem for Nike, it is a problem for Erin. If she can't live by her own criticism of others, her criticisms will ring hollow. And rightly so.

Fill Night

8:43 pm on Friday, March 23, 2012

I bet you heard sticchio a few times while you were in Italy.

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jaskie1505

8:28 am on Saturday, March 24, 2012

Erin, now you see how ridiculous this becomes. Language is ever changing along with it's meaning. How far back does one go. If you believe what you have written in your article, than you will apologize for using the word Patch, and change the name to something that does not offend anyone. Do your research. If you don't believe what you wrote, then say so and let's move on.

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Erin Gallagher

8:53 am on Saturday, March 24, 2012

Ridiculous, indeed. Apologize for using the word patch? Tim is whack, and so are you. "Patch" is not an Italian word. Take another look at Tim's link. It says it is "possibly" (not probably) from the "Old Italian" (not modern Italian) paccio (not patch). Joe was generous when he said obscure reference. It's not even a likely reference. My opinion about Nike stands.

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Tim

10:57 am on Saturday, March 24, 2012

and notice how name-calling is acceptable for the people that work for patch, but they will be the first to censor and erase comments made by others that do the same.

There is quite a pattern of inconsistency here.

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Tim

10:59 am on Saturday, March 24, 2012

ok. since you can not accept that the word does exist, but the origins are unknown, then lets focus on something less confusing for you.

Erin is gay.

Now, Are you going to focus on the obscure word like the article, and take it as meaning 'happy, or gleeful'? Or are you going to focus on the contemporary word, meaning homosexual?

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Joseph Hosey

11:07 am on Saturday, March 24, 2012

Actually, Tim, you're wrong again. If Nike came out with a shoe called the "Gay," I'm pretty certain there would be a bit of public outcry, regardless of the company's intention. In fact, you can't even buy an NFL jersey with the name Gay on the back, even though William Gay has been in the league the last five years. Also, I really don't know where you're coming from when you say the term Black and Tan is "obscure." Just because you're not personally aware of something doesn't make it obscure. That's a pretty narrow-minded world view.

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Tim

12:48 pm on Saturday, March 24, 2012

In fact, Joe, you can buy that jersey.
http://www.celebrityclap.com/nfl-william-gay-team-color-kids-authentic-jerseys-pittsburgh-steelers-22-black-football-jerseys-from-reebok-s-xxl.html

Other than the fact that this has nothing to do with the NFL, the point still stands that both you and Erin work at a company that has an alternative meaning of "idiot, clown, or dolt"

More to the point, the word 'obscure' mean relatively unknown. Not that the person using that word isn't aware of it. The key word is relative, as in which term is more widely known relative to the other; paramilitary unit that existed almost 100 years ago, or a mixed drink that is in common contemporary usage? In fact to use the word obscure, I would not only have to know both usages, but more specifically which one is in more common usage. Without knowing that, I would not have been able to even use the word obscure. I would have used the word unknown. You can call it pedantic, but I call it being very specific with the word I choose to use, because I take the time to think about what I write.

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Joseph Hosey

1:03 pm on Saturday, March 24, 2012

@Tim: I wouldn't call it pedantic. I'd call it incorrect. Laughably, stupidly incorrect. First of all, when did you become the arbiter of which words or terms are more widely known than others? And even if you were, you seem to have a hard time understanding the concept of "obscure." Using your logic, tell us which "Madonna" is widely know and which one is obscure, since the one "relatively" less prominent must be "obscure?" Are you going with the lady who sang at the Super Bowl or the mother of Jesus. That whole Jesus thing was a long time ago -- a lot farther back than the Black and Tans.

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Tim

9:14 pm on Saturday, March 24, 2012

Perfect example Joe.
You will notice that madonna didn't change her name.

Madonna, in your sense, is only a definition among Roman Catholics(madonna is the roman translation for 'Our Lady'), and then even only since the reformation a few hundred years ago. Since you are obviously Roman Catholic, you must therefore think everyone calls her this. Protestants do not call her this, nor do the millions of people in dozens of other branches of christianity. So yes, it is a relatively obscure name outside of your own mind.

The point here is that what you consider well-known, is not what the rest of the world considers well known. Nothing you can say is going to change the perceptions of the millions of other people that don't share you views of popularity of a term.

Next time, look up definitions of words before you try to use them the wrong way.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Madonna

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Joseph Hosey

9:32 pm on Saturday, March 24, 2012

@Tim: I totally see your point now. Since there's only about 1.1 billion Catholics in the world, Madonna is nothing more than a "relatively obscure name outside (my) own mind." That makes perfect sense. Wait, what? For the guy in charge of telling everybody which words or terms are more widely known than others, you're not doing a very good job.

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Tim

7:54 am on Sunday, March 25, 2012

And the point still stands that madonna the singer, has not changer her name.

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Joseph Hosey

8:22 am on Sunday, March 25, 2012

@Tim: What difference does it make whether she changed her name? How does that factor in to you letting the rest of us know whether she is "obscure" or not?

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Joseph Hosey

9:39 am on Saturday, March 24, 2012

Erin, you're wrong. The word "patch" is very derogative and stupid people find it offensive. So I think you owe Tim and jaskie apologies. We don't want them to feel any worse about themselves than they do already. Tim, jaskie, we are very sorry, both for your stupidity and for having offended you.

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Roy Rumaner

10:01 am on Saturday, March 24, 2012

Guys, you are never going to convince Erin she is wrong until she is ready to understand that she lives in the year 2012 and not 1919. Her mind is so closed that all she sees is her way and no one is ever going to convince her she is wrong.

One day she will learn that the earth really is round and that it revolves around the sun and then everything she has believed in will come crashing down on her. We don't want to be anywhere near her when that happens.

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Barry Allen

10:11 am on Saturday, March 24, 2012

One of the problems with agreeing with Erin on issues is that she seems to be somewhat loose with her facts.

It varies from complete fabrications (her statement that, without the testimony of Sandra Fluke the congressional committee had no testimony from women) to those easy to verify with Google ( the Black and Tans didn't arrive in Ireland until March 1920 (not 1919 as she mentioned).

Some things are easy for her to FABRICATE because ... or course ... it must have happened. Erin just said the Black and Tans "widely raped and pillaged any and all Irish men, women and children who crossed their paths". In over 600 pages of academic writing on the war the word rape (or any similar word) was never used. It was suggested in one doctoral thesis that the limit of sexual assault was likely that both men and women were sometimes paraded through town naked. That the lack of documentation indicated that other sexual assaults were few.

"any and all" ... hardly. The IRA and the Black and Tans regularly exchanges reprisals .. and reprisals to the reprisals ... but most attacks by either side were targeted (even if for the flimsiest of reasons).

Cleanup the factual problems and Erin could become more believable.

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Ann Paul

12:21 pm on Saturday, March 24, 2012

YOu are right on Barry. The best part is Erin considers herself a journalist. The only consistent thing she does is fabricate and mislead. I cannot believe a word she says because it has been proven her "facts" don't stand up. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH HER EXPRESSING HER VIEWS, but to say she backs it up with "facts" is a joke. Erin, if you have any shred of decency, don't call yourself a journalist. THat is a slap in the face to the journalism profession. Start doing your homework before inserting foot in mouth.

Bob Jonas

12:15 pm on Saturday, March 24, 2012

Erin and Joseph, I truly expected more from someone with the title Editor next to their name. What a disappointment it was to see how unprofessional both of you have become. Instead do sticking to the facts that are verifiable and showing your sources like professional journalist are trained to do, you lower yourself to name calling and throwing logic out the window. I'm sure your bosses are disappointed in you as well. If I was your boss you would be demoted or fired. Good journalist become respected journalist by standing the heat and are able to deflect criticism with the facts. Both of you have failed miserably at this. As Tim stated, you should be deleting your own derogatory, name calling comments and provide a sincere apology. Keep this up and your future in journalism will be short lived.

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Shauna O' Reilly

12:20 pm on Saturday, March 24, 2012

I'm from Dublin, my English teacher told us the story at the beginning of class and we all had a good laugh about it, it's not particularly insulting but I think Erin's point was that people should do there research before naming something (however unofficially) because there's always somebody who's going to take it the wrong way especially with an issue like this.
The whole thing probably wouldnt even have been noticed if it hadnt been so close to Paddy's day.

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David Amundson

4:45 am on Sunday, March 25, 2012

The 1% are smiling today; all this brain power available, all this energy ready to be unleashed, and all we can do is fight about who should be responsible for the name of a shoe? No wonder why the 99% are losing ground to the 1%. As a professor I know once opined, "the smaller the real estate being fought over, the more epic the battles."

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jaskie1505

8:08 am on Sunday, March 25, 2012

David- so you consider a discussion over wether journalist should get their facts straight, and disclose there sources to prove their points small real estate. Sounds like you support reporters who distort the facts to make a better story, sort of like the 1%-99% distorted articles that have been in the media over the last few months. If this is small real estate, what do you consider large real estate?

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Joseph Hosey

8:24 am on Sunday, March 25, 2012

Jaskie, except she didn't? Because you don't like something doesn't make it "distorted."

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David Amundson

10:11 am on Sunday, March 25, 2012

jaskie1505 - If the topic of discussion were, say, a President lying about an affair while under oath, or a President lying about reasons that took us to war, yes, I would be very concerned about actual news reports, that claim to uphold themselves to journalistic standards, getting the facts straight and disclosing sources when necessary. This, however, is a story about the seemingly ill-chosen name of a tennis shoe, the author is probably volunteering her time, and the article in question is clearly filed under the 'opinion' section. So yes, she is entitled to say really whatever she'd like to say about said tennis shoe. She could write a review of it, she could give tithe Jon Stewart treatment and make fun of it, she could give it the Glen Beck treatment and tell us how this shoe, made in China, has a secret agenda to turn us Communist. It really does not matter. It is a tennis shoe.

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Bob Jonas

12:56 pm on Sunday, March 25, 2012

Hosey, that statement coming from someone who does distort the facts and not back up his arguments with credible sources carries no weight what so ever. As your reputation deteriorates, so does your influence.

Barry Allen

12:41 pm on Sunday, March 25, 2012

I guess I misunderstood the Patch logo next to Erin's name. I thought that she was connected to the Patch in some form as a journalist. Her resume on Patch indicates that she has been a journalist for 20 (or so) years. I inferred that her journalistic integrity was being contributed to Patch.

If those statements are incorrect then, indeed, her indiscretions and distortions in what would normally be the factual part of her opinion argument are understandable and I'll just consider her opinions with that in mind.

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Bob Jonas

1:13 pm on Sunday, March 25, 2012

Amundsen- I must disagree with you on a number of counts. First, Erin's article goes back into history referring to various times, places and wars. She says things happen when other say they did not, i.e rape.... Also, just because the article is found under "government, opinion, business" doesn't automatically make it an editorial piece. If this is truly an opinion, it should be clearly labeled as such by the staff of the Patch. Hosey is an editor of the Patch and he is treating it like a factual story.

The point certain people are trying to make here is that as a journalist you should always report what you can verify and make sure you specify clearly that if you cannot verify something that you feel is key to the story, state that it is unverifiable at the time of the writing.

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Bob Jonas

1:13 pm on Sunday, March 25, 2012

I'm also offended on your attitude towards volunteers. As a volunteer, you accept certain terms and conditions that the agency your volunteer for puts forth. If you do not wish to live by those terms and conditions you shouldn't be volunteering for that organization. Volunteer or paid staff, you are the image of the Patch or whatever organization you are working for.

If I'm a volunteer, writing for the Patch and I say the Holocaust never happen or Trayvon Martin, the teen that was shot in self defense by the George Zimmerman, was his own worst enemy, does that make it right. Why? Cause I'm a volunteer and it's my opinion. If Erin would have labeled this clearly as MY OPINION, then this would have died quickly. She wrote it as an article, from a journalist, with poor research and then proceeds to bad mouth supporters of the patch, simply because they are the audience, and thinks that's ok.

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Joseph Hosey

1:33 pm on Sunday, March 25, 2012

Wow, a lot of things bothering Bob Jonas today. He seems really upset.

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David Amundson

5:31 pm on Sunday, March 25, 2012

At the end of the day, it is a piece that is clearly labeled "opinion" at the very top of the article, is part of her on-going "Mom Talk" series (everything else of hers I've ever read has clearly been of the 'opinion' variety), and the topic of the day is the ill-chosen name for a pair of tennis shoes. Like I said at the outset, the 1% are smiling today.

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Joseph Hosey

5:32 pm on Sunday, March 25, 2012

Well said, David. Thank you.

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Bob Jonas

7:30 pm on Sunday, March 25, 2012

Not sure where you see it labeled clearly as opinion. On my Patch that is one of three options. Also don't see anything about "Mom Talk". In my opinion, the article sucks. I'm also very happy to be a part of the 1%. So yes, I smile almost every day, not just today. But I thank you for supporting us Mr. Amundson.

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Joseph Hosey

1:43 pm on Sunday, March 25, 2012

By the way, Tim, since you're in charge of telling us what things are more relevant than others, maybe you can help us out. Arnold Palmer, man or drink — what's the answer?

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Ann Paul

5:05 pm on Sunday, March 25, 2012

Erin is no journalist. She is a sham. Plain and simple.

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Joseph Hosey

5:09 pm on Sunday, March 25, 2012

Who are you to judge? Get a life.

smiles

7:03 pm on Sunday, March 25, 2012

point is nike didnt name the shoe black and tan and had no tie with the retail ad.

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Uneducated Black Northern B-----D

1:02 am on Tuesday, March 27, 2012

I am amazed about the amount of trash I have just read here. The black & tans did exist, put together by the Brits and generally recognized as a bunch of murdering bastards who had the complete back up of the Establashment to murder, rape and subject the Irish people to torture and shame. Yes Nike should apologize for their employee or sub-contracters actions. Do you wooden planks learn anything about World history while in school? I am 100 per cent Irish, have fought the Brits and don't give a flying f--k what you or the likes of you call me or mine, just don't try to justify the derogatory name that some lazy college educated Pratt has used to sell a product That after all has been manufactured in sweat shops so that you lazy pigs can pay big money for. You remind me of the wizard of oz and dick chaney all bs and no heart,

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